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Eichler belongs to a sect which has reformed the 10 commandments into 8, thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not covert that which is not yours have been reformed out of the belief system of the obsurantist sect thathe belongs to whose sole aim seems to be to make the Jewish faith something that is anathma to the majority of Secular Israelis, who associate Judaism with theft, an unhealthy obsession with sex and a complete absence of morals.
Reform Judaism on the other hand has brought many Jews back into the fold and is much closer to Jewish values than the sex obsessed obscurantists.
I, as a charadi, resent calling Reform Jews anti semetic. I would refer to them as lacking in knowledge of the Torah or not performing all the mitzvot, but anti semetic, that is plain ignoramous mixed with smugness.
as for number 3, reform jewry van cleef perlee clover bracelet were definitely against identifying with Israel. Even up to and including the six day war when several 'temples' came out with a blood drive for the Arabs victims. Then a change occured when they realized that the youth did identify with Israel, so in order to hold the young kids who were leaving reform faster than a mouse that sees a cat, they changed their platform to embrace Israel. Remember, they were afraid of the goiyim thinking that they did support Israel over America; that also changed.
That is the problem with reform, they keep changing with the times.
I'm glad Larry fromLA finds him "disgusting" but for the record: the Reform movement embraced Zionism in 1936 in its statements of principles (while Chareidi Orthodoxy railed against it); it was Reform Rabbi Abba Hillel Silver and Reform Rabbi Stephen Wise who led the American Zionist movement and presented the motion for the establishment of the state at the UN. Of course, there is ARZA, the movement for Reform Zionism and Aliyah. He is also alleged to have advised President Franklin Roosevelt not to meet with the 400 Orthodox Rabbis that marched on Washington in 1943 and to have attempted to squelch the broadcast of "We Will Never Die", which sought to bring attention to the slaughter of Jews in Europe" (see Wiki)
"Rabbi Kestenbaum provided what may be the most damning evidence yet of Stephen Wise's treacherous actions. government to save European Jews.
"Rabbi Kestenbaum told of how, on one occasion, he took a message for his father from Wise who told him, "Tell your father that he has to be an American and not to to fight hard for Jews in Europe. You have to be an American first."
Charidim opposed the State of Israel too . They also betrayed the Zionist movement in Russia , telling the czarist police about the Zionists activities. Martin van Creveld ; the land of blood and honey
But all those acts , of both sides , are past history . Let's better see the situation today . The reform have their plus Jews remain , even a little bit , Jewish thanks to them . They are supporting Israel , contribute to the state . They don't want to impose their lifestyle on others . A minus , their "conversions" , To be a Jew needs more than a piece of paper . My position regarding the charidim is known , no need to tell it again .
2 of Roosevelt's Hoff Yude, who were afraid to rock the boat by helping European Jews,lest they too would be placed in concentration camps,they will be forever be remembered as traytors and cowards,Nachum Goldman too,said later : yadanu veshataknu (we knew bur remained silent,given England's dependence on the USA Roosevelt could have pressured England to open it's doors for the persecuted Jews of Europe and place them,in it's vast Empire,but as Nachum Goldman said,we were numb,the Reform movement should be judged by what it did for Israel from 48 to this very day.
at least the Reform movement saw the light,you can't say that about the eichlers,the irony is,that the opponents of Theodor Herzel to the return to Zion, were the assimilated Reform Jews and the hasidic rebbes,B Gurion writes in his memoir that he was arrested by the Tzar's police, for Zionist activities, and he believes he was denounced by the followers of the rebbe of gur,a haredi Rav Y Miler, complained aganst the rebbe of satmar,y Teitelbaum that Rabbi Teitelbaum is responsible for the death of his daughter and her family,his daughter lived in Transilvania in 44 under German control, she lived 10 Km from the Romanian border,when the Germans took full control of hungary,many Jews croosed the border into relative savety in Romania,rabbi Tetelbaum told his followers,no need to flee,no need to cross the border,Salvation is on the way,as an anti Zionist, the rebbe was concerned his followers will emigrate from Romania to than Palestine (even during the war ships sailed to than palestine) Rabbi Miler's daughter van cleef and arpels perlee replica bracelet followed rabbi Teitelbaums advise, and was killed by the Germans at Auschwitz,Rabbi Teitelbaum imposed van cleef & arpels bracelet copy on the haredi Jews of Transilvania his Anti Zion philosophy with tragic consequenses.
Eichler belongs to a sect which has reformed the 10 commandments into 8, thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not covert that which is not yours have been reformed out of the belief system of the obsurantist sect thathe belongs to whose sole aim seems to be to make the Jewish faith something that is anathma to the majority of Secular Israelis, who associate Judaism with theft, an unhealthy obsession with sex and a complete absence of morals.
Reform Judaism on the other hand has brought many Jews back into the fold and is much closer to Jewish values than the sex obsessed obscurantists.
I, as a charadi, resent calling Reform Jews anti semetic. I would refer to them as lacking in knowledge of the Torah or not performing all the mitzvot, but anti semetic, that is plain ignoramous mixed with smugness.
as for number 3, reform jewry van cleef perlee clover bracelet were definitely against identifying with Israel. Even up to and including the six day war when several 'temples' came out with a blood drive for the Arabs victims. Then a change occured when they realized that the youth did identify with Israel, so in order to hold the young kids who were leaving reform faster than a mouse that sees a cat, they changed their platform to embrace Israel. Remember, they were afraid of the goiyim thinking that they did support Israel over America; that also changed.
That is the problem with reform, they keep changing with the times.
I'm glad Larry fromLA finds him "disgusting" but for the record: the Reform movement embraced Zionism in 1936 in its statements of principles (while Chareidi Orthodoxy railed against it); it was Reform Rabbi Abba Hillel Silver and Reform Rabbi Stephen Wise who led the American Zionist movement and presented the motion for the establishment of the state at the UN. Of course, there is ARZA, the movement for Reform Zionism and Aliyah. He is also alleged to have advised President Franklin Roosevelt not to meet with the 400 Orthodox Rabbis that marched on Washington in 1943 and to have attempted to squelch the broadcast of "We Will Never Die", which sought to bring attention to the slaughter of Jews in Europe" (see Wiki)
"Rabbi Kestenbaum provided what may be the most damning evidence yet of Stephen Wise's treacherous actions. government to save European Jews.
"Rabbi Kestenbaum told of how, on one occasion, he took a message for his father from Wise who told him, "Tell your father that he has to be an American and not to to fight hard for Jews in Europe. You have to be an American first."
Charidim opposed the State of Israel too . They also betrayed the Zionist movement in Russia , telling the czarist police about the Zionists activities. Martin van Creveld ; the land of blood and honey
But all those acts , of both sides , are past history . Let's better see the situation today . The reform have their plus Jews remain , even a little bit , Jewish thanks to them . They are supporting Israel , contribute to the state . They don't want to impose their lifestyle on others . A minus , their "conversions" , To be a Jew needs more than a piece of paper . My position regarding the charidim is known , no need to tell it again .
2 of Roosevelt's Hoff Yude, who were afraid to rock the boat by helping European Jews,lest they too would be placed in concentration camps,they will be forever be remembered as traytors and cowards,Nachum Goldman too,said later : yadanu veshataknu (we knew bur remained silent,given England's dependence on the USA Roosevelt could have pressured England to open it's doors for the persecuted Jews of Europe and place them,in it's vast Empire,but as Nachum Goldman said,we were numb,the Reform movement should be judged by what it did for Israel from 48 to this very day.
at least the Reform movement saw the light,you can't say that about the eichlers,the irony is,that the opponents of Theodor Herzel to the return to Zion, were the assimilated Reform Jews and the hasidic rebbes,B Gurion writes in his memoir that he was arrested by the Tzar's police, for Zionist activities, and he believes he was denounced by the followers of the rebbe of gur,a haredi Rav Y Miler, complained aganst the rebbe of satmar,y Teitelbaum that Rabbi Teitelbaum is responsible for the death of his daughter and her family,his daughter lived in Transilvania in 44 under German control, she lived 10 Km from the Romanian border,when the Germans took full control of hungary,many Jews croosed the border into relative savety in Romania,rabbi Tetelbaum told his followers,no need to flee,no need to cross the border,Salvation is on the way,as an anti Zionist, the rebbe was concerned his followers will emigrate from Romania to than Palestine (even during the war ships sailed to than palestine) Rabbi Miler's daughter van cleef and arpels perlee replica bracelet followed rabbi Teitelbaums advise, and was killed by the Germans at Auschwitz,Rabbi Teitelbaum imposed van cleef & arpels bracelet copy on the haredi Jews of Transilvania his Anti Zion philosophy with tragic consequenses.
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